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         MrGibbage Super User 
          
  
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           | Posted: January 26 2014 at 08:47 | IP Logged
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I have been using a 2414U for several years, and I think it is working fine. I occasionally have 
 lights that don't go on or off with certain scenes, but other than that, it seems to be working 
 fine. I see that this controller is now discontinued with the recommended replacement the 2413 USB 
 and serial. (I think it is funny because years ago I had a PLC that was a serial device and they 
 were discontinued for the newer USB. And now we are back to serial again. Truth be told, I prefer 
 the serial anyway.)
 
 So, my question for the team here, is which controller should I be using now? I see a lot of folks 
 using the ISYs, and those are crazy expensive. And it seems to me that if we are using powerhome 
 (that is why we are here, right), then we really don't need something like the ISY.
 
 I am just trying to get the thoughts on which controller is the right one to use now, keeping future 
 use and compatibility in mind.
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         grif091 Super User 
          
 
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           | Posted: January 26 2014 at 14:23 | IP Logged
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The 2414 PLC does not support Extended commands.  Devices 
 such as Motion Sensors, TriggerLincs, just about all the 
 battery devices along with just about any device now being 
 delivered from Smarthome is I2CS which requires Extended 
 commands for link management.
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         MrGibbage Super User 
          
  
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           | Posted: January 26 2014 at 15:59 | IP Logged
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If I do upgrade to the 2413, does PH support both the USB and Serial versions? I think I would prefer to 
 get the serial one if at all possible. 
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         grif091 Super User 
          
 
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           | Posted: January 26 2014 at 16:07 | IP Logged
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It does not matter from PH perspective.   Both are 
 accessed through a serial port number.
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         TonyNo Moderator Group 
          
  
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           | Posted: January 26 2014 at 18:08 | IP Logged
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Historically, the USB versions were a bit wonky. Not sure if they fixed that.
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         BeachBum Super User 
          
  
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           | Posted: January 26 2014 at 20:19 | IP Logged
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I second that. I have the USB and it is a pain in the neck if not lower.
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         dhoward Admin Group 
          
  
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           | Posted: January 26 2014 at 22:15 | IP Logged
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I would definitely get the serial version if its an option.  The problem with the USB version is that the computer is usually on a UPS but the PLM is plugged directly in the wall.  The USB versions get wonky (at least they used to) when they lose power but the USB stays powered on by the computer.  Serial versions do not have this issue.
 
 Dave.
 
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Interesting. My server has no UPS and it was wonky anyway. :D
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So back to the original question does that mean the serial PLM is the best Insteon controller? Like in reliability.
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In my opinion...yes  .
 
 Dave.
 
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           | Posted: January 29 2014 at 00:25 | IP Logged
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I agree the serial PLM is rock solid (best). But I would 
 also look at the networked hub version for the future. I 
 really like the hub now that I got past the wonky virtual 
 port issue.  I think the response time is better also, 
 but that part could all be in my head. I have not really 
 come across anything the hub can not handle that the 
 serial PLM can.  (I don't use the hub for anything other 
 than a PH insteon controller.) When I first started a 
 while back I had a USB controller, but had to switch to 
 serial because it was not reliable!! This is how I rank 
 them base on my experience with them.
 
 1st serial (best)
 2nd network hub (being put to the test as we speak)
 3rd USB controllers
 Not to be confused with the (Insteon Portable USB adapter 
 (2448A7) that Dave likes.)
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