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MartinPR
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I'm just getting started with insteon control. I bought the Universal Devices ISY-99i with the Insteon Serial PLM (2412S) combo because I like the fact that the ISY-99i is a complete microprocessor with a built in web server and software for managing the PLM and all the other insteon devices. Then I discovered PowerHome2 which appears to offer a much more complete application for interfacing with the devices. So, I plan to use Powerhome2 to control the PLM which I plan to hook up to a Windows server running 2003 Server via the Serial connector. I believe this eliminates the ISY-99i.
Despite Smarthome's disclaimer regarding 3phase power systems, I plan to run this setup on our 3 phase power. I've tested a mockup of my setup on it controlling a keypadlinc (2486D), an In-LineLinc Dimmer (2475D), and an In-LineLinc ON/OFF Module with Sense (2475S2) from the ISY-99i/PLM. It all works.
Here's my questions:
1. Am I right that the PLM will hook directly to the server via the serial cable without the 99i?
2. If I wanted to leave the 99i in place, will Powerhome2 still see the PLM? This would be handy since the 99i would provide an always-available connection to the internet providing access to the insteon network via the web even if the server was down.
3. Do I need phase couplers? It seems like two wired-in Insteon phase couplers, SignalLinc V2 (2406H), each installed across two legs, would do the job.
Thank you forum members for your advice.
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MartinPR
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From the Powerhome wizard I tried linking to the PLM with the ISY-99i in place but was stopped when Powerhome asked which comm port the PLM is using. The serial connection is to the 99i so I can't easily tell which port is being used.
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1.assuming you have a serial port on the PC the PLM will connect to the PC.
2.the PLM serial port can be connected to the ISY or the PC, not both. PH will not see the serial PLM connection when it is connected to the ISY.
3.how you connect the 3 120V legs together to form a good Insteon network is a question for Smarthome. Since they do not formally support a 3 phase configuration they may not be much help.
To your second post, the same as 2. Either the PLM serial port is connected to the ISY or it is connected to the PC. You can of course use a second PLM, one for the ISY and one for PowerHome.
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MartinPR
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Good suggestion to add a second PLM. I get the best of both worlds, the PH interface and a system that runs without a PC, and redundancy as a bonus. Thanks
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Keep in mind that both the ISY and Powerhome are going to try and manage the device links. Just be sure that both products are kept in sync regarding links.
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Integration with the ISY is currently planned where PowerHome will interface direct with the ISY and use the ISY as a controller. No date when this will be available but I do have an ISY for testing.
In the meantime, a second PLM would be a great option giving you the best of both worlds. I would probably manage links using the ISY since I don't think the ISY has the ability to completely manage links created by PowerHome. Just have the link scanning enabled within PowerHome and PH will discover links after they are created by the ISY.
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MartinPR
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Dave, Thanks for incorporating the ISY. I certainly like the idea of the solid-state, dedicated controller with the front-end by PH. I'd love to be a beta tester.
I asked Smarthome support about phase coupling and 3 phase. The tech suggested three 2443 Access Points since they amplify and provide RF signal unlike the 2406H Signallinc which is only a phase coupler. He suggested dispursing them at far ends of the layout to get the best benefit of the amplifier. They contain functionality to identify which leg each 2443 is using. For giving "no support" he certainly was informative including mentioning that they use insteon successfully in the 3 phase commercial building they occupy.
I plan to install an insteon system in our winery and wine cave in Sonoma. It'll control lighting, CO2 exhaust fans, night air cooling, and more. The cave is where signal amplification is important since the longest tunnel is 450 feet. I'll post my progress from time to time.
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Any updates to the ISY-99 and PH integration?
I continue to struggle with a two-controller system.
I love the flexibility of PH, but the always-on nature of the ISY-99.
However, the ISY-99 seems to haphazardly manage links. On a system created using PH, if the ISY tries to learn links it gets them all wrong.
What's the best solution? Should I reset all my devices, make scenes using ISY, and then let PH fill in the gaps??
Thanks
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Oktane,
No progress has been made yet on the ISY integration :(
The first thing I would try in your current situation since it sounds as if everything was first setup in PowerHome would be to first verify all your links in PowerHome. You could do this from the Insteon Explorer by navigating to the Devices screen and placing a check in the Scan DB column (click on the header to select/deselect all) and let PowerHome rescan all of your devices. Use the Links tab to fix/cleanup any anomalies.
Next, I assume you're using a separate PLM for both PowerHome and the ISY. I would then disconnect the PH PLM and connect the ISY PLM to PowerHome. Use the Links tab to highlight all the links in the PowerHome PLM (the old PLM) and copy them to the ISY PLM (whats currently connected to PH). This assumes that you're keeping the PH and ISY PLM's synchonized. After that is done, then on the Setup tab, "Clear" the PLM database (you're still connected to the ISY PLM) followed by "Add Full" to add all of the proper links to the ISY PLM. Disconnect the ISY PLM and reconnect it to the ISY and let it try to learn them. If everything went proper, then the ISY should properly read all of the links.
Dave.
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Hi Dave,
Anyway we can convince you to get this in? 
I'm in desparate need to get these working seemlessly.
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BUMP?
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Any news on this integration?
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Dave,
Are you actively working on this integration? If so, do you have an ETA?
Thanks,
Mark
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