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cmctague
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I have a KPL with buttons 1, 3, and 5 set to turn on three different banks of lights in my kitchen. I then have button 7 configured as a toggle button to turn on all 3 sets of lights at once. The cross linking all works so the lights function fine. The thing that has always been annoying is that when I use "All On" button (button 7) the LEDs for buttons 1, 3, 5 stay in the state they were in before. I was hoping to use the KPL config to make the LEDs on these keys track button 7 as it is pressed. I used the KPL config to set the LED states for the other buttons. I left button 7 as "toggle" and checked both "On" and "Off" for buttons 1, 3, and 5. The config saved, but when I tried it out only LED 1 tracked the state of button 7. Am I trying to do something that is impossible or am I just going about it the wrong way? By the way, thanks for all the fixes and features in this release.
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Have you linked button 7 to buttons 1,3 & 5? You said button 1 worked and it would have to since it controls a load. But 3 and 5 don't so they must be linked separately. Are you using v.7 with the full KPL support?
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I probably should have gone into more detail.
1. I am using the v7 beta of PowerHome.
2. The actual loads are controlled by 3 SwitchLinc V2s. These are crosslinked to buttons 1, 3 and 5, respectively. Additionally, the same switches are in insteon group associated with button 7, and crosslinked back. None of the buttons on my KPL are actually controlling a load.
3. The only coordination between the buttons is what would be achieved from using the KPL config utility and checking the "On" and "Off" buttons for LEDs. I can't remember off the top of my head if that actually creates links between the buttons or not. I have not explictly created any links between the buttons.
I hope this has made my setup more obvious and not less.
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CMC,
Welcome to PowerHome! Im glad you like the new version.
I think what you are trying to achieve should be doable.
First, the KPL does not do anything with links. Just able to change the button function from toggle/non-toggle and how button presses effect the other buttons LED's...which sounds like all you're trying to do.
From what I gather, you've got your links all setup and you're happy with the way the buttons control your lamps. It sounds like what you want to happen is that when you press the 7 button (Im assuming your KPL is configured for 8 button mode) and it turns all the lights out, you want the LED's on buttons 1,3,and 5 to also go out. If that's the case, I know you can accomplish this using links. In this version you can create responder links for buttons 1,3, and 5 with button 7 as the master. When button 7 sends an "off", it will also turn off buttons 1,3,and 5. Conversely, when you turn button 7 on, it will also turn on buttons 1,3,and 5...which may not be what you want (after thinking about it some more, this may be exactly what you want).
The other option is to try and use the KPL utility to set the LED's. I havent played with it enough (other than trying all kinds of wierd combinations and determining it wasnt something that I would use  ), but Im thinking that you would be a check in the "Off" box of buttons 1,3, and 5 in the button 7 config group. I would try this first and see what happens when you press button 7 on and off. My guess would be that when you turn button 7 off, 1,3,and 5 will also turn off and have no effect when turning button 7 on. I could be totally wrong though because I havent played with this enough to fully understand it.
Anyways, let me know the results of any testing you do so as to further my knowledge (as well as others). If you're basically wanting the 1,3,and 5 LEDS to be all on or all off when button 7 is switched, then I would just use the standard linking. If it's anything else, then your best bet is to work with the KPL util.
Dave.
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Well I got it working using the KPL util and checking "ON" for the 1, 3, and 5 LEDs in button 7's config. I didn't try "OFF" as Dave suggested. I'm not sure why exactly but it was late at night so...
What didn't work was using repsonder links as Dave describes above. Responder links did work great when the controller was my ControlLinc upstairs. This alleviated my another big annoyance with the LEDs on the KeyPadLinc staying in sync with what the SwitchLincs are actually doing.
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I found another use for the LED configuration, although it probably doesn't apply to most people. I actually have a button on my KPL that isn't in use (button 6). Occasionally, this button will be lit because someone fat fingered the keypad while turning something else on. Since the button doesn't control anything there is no real harm done, but catching the lit button out of the corner of my eye always aggravated me. I resolved this by using the KPL config utility and checking "OFF" for button 6 in button 6's configuration. That way no matter how many times someone presses button 6 the LED doesn't turn on. Frivolous perhaps but...
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Chuck,
Im glad you figured out the combination to make the KPL work the way you want. It doesnt make sense to me, but if it works, who cares.
I'll definately have to experiment with some more to try and cement my understanding so I can intelligently answer future questions  .
Dave.
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I wonder if I can make a non-toggle OFF button have the LED on all the time. By default on a non-toggle OFF, the LED is off and vice versa for an ON.
Having it be on would be nice for no other reason than being able to see it more easily in the dark. I know, why would you want an OFF button if it is already dark?  But the lights in the garage may be off when you are leaving, but still want to kill the rest of the lights in the house.
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Herdfan,
I don't think it will work. From working with SmartHome on the memory map of the KPL, it's the LED being on or off that triggers a non-toggle button to send either the on or off command  . There is a memory location (non-readable or writeable in the current firmware) which tracks the current LED status of all the buttons. This is what is used to determine the command to send.
Cool idea though. You could do it with triggers in PowerHome but this would require that PowerHome always be running and you would have a slight delay.
Be sure and check out the thread from Chuck on the ControLinc with group 6 to get a KPL to only respond to "all on/off" commands. An interesting read and something that I had not previously thought of.
Dave.
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