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RichardL
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I'm getting closer to the point in my migration where I will have X10 disappear, and go pure Insteon.
I have a few Insteon signal/performance issues that I am waiting to fully look into, since X10 is present. Hopefully eliminating X10 will make the problems go away.
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Can I use Powerhome to fully remove X10 addressing, etc from devices? I'd rather not have to physically go to each device.
Example: Go into Insteon Explorer->Devices, then blank out the "Desired X10 Address", then "Save"?
If so:
Will this also work for KeyPadLincs?
Will this do everything as if I never setup an X10 address on the device?
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Richard
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I don't know how clean of X10 Powerhome can make things but remember to check the Insteon Explorer option “Write Level/Ramp/X10” to enable writing of the X10 information. There is also the “Level/Ramp/X10 Scan” option if you want Powerhome to retrieve the X10 information.
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Unless someone has a magical way to remove the addresses I have NOT been able to using PH.
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I'll try both forms of X10 deletion -
* A physical X10 address deletion,
* From PH Devices screen.
I have a line monitor where I can see powerline traffic.
I'll check the traffic from a device before any changes, then try PH, and the same tests for physical.
I have much to do before this stage, and the weather is getting real nice outside,  - I'll post what happens when it happens.
Thanks for the help.
Richard
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Just a quick note concerning the X10. You should be able to clear the "Desired X10 address" on the "Devices" tab and PH will clear the X10 address in standard Insteon devices. As Lee noted though, you have to have the Write Level/Ramp/X10 checked though.
For KPL devices, this should happen as soon as the command is written. For ALL other devices, you must cycle the power to the device in order for the memory to re-read from the device. SmartHome provided a command for just this purpose BUT only enabled it for the KPL (which is why it works). For all other devices, the memory is not re-read unless you cycle the power. Very kludgy but I figured I would still provide the capability.
You can cycle the power by air-gapping SwitchLinc dimmmers (the airgap does not work on SwitchLinc relays...go figure) but it would probably be easiest to just take the approach I use. Let PH write/clear all the X10 addresses you want to change. Then just go to the breaker panel and one at a time turn each breaker off, count to 5, turn the breaker back on. Real pain but better than visiting each switch and factory resetting or using the standard X10 programming method.
HTH,
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Well that explains why I didn’t think PH was removing it when all along I was doing it right. Thks Dave.
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Great info, after Lee's post I made sure the checkbox for X10 write was enabled, but I never would have done the airgap/breaker process. Dave thanks for the direction.
The breaker process is a pain, but I have alot of devices, and alot of breakers!
I guess another question can come up:
For non-KPL devices, are there any other settings that require the airgap/breaker process?
Thank you.
Richard
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Local Level and local Ramp. Cant think of any others off the top of my head. Basically any lower memory location (not the links database) of a device. The only ones that PH would write to though are the X10 address, local level, and local ramp.
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Great info - thank you.
The airgap thing is a pain, gotta bust on Smarthome for that, in the meantime how about a command:
ph.Airgap? 
Back to the real world - when I setup links for scenes I will set the local level to 250 so as to not have the bulbs run at 100% (which increases their lifespan quite abit), and I like a 2 second (27) ramp rate.
Is there a way to set all existing links to follow this, and/or set a default so every new link gets created as 250/27?
I realize I'm somewhat confused as to a switch's individual settings and what happens in a scene. If I set a switch to 250/27, then airgap it. Later I setup a link for a scene with say, 150 level - doesn't the scene "tell" the switch how to behave? Or do I have to airgap it again?
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The power cycle requirement (air gap) applies to the "local" bright level and ramp rate where the paddle or button is actually pressed. That has nothing to do with the bright level and ramp rate a "responder" device will use. If linking manually (using Set button) each responder device must be set to the values you want that responder to use prior to linking. Each responder device in the scene can have different level/ramp values.
If you are creating the links with Powerhome, you specify the responder level/ramp rates when the link is defined using the Links tab. This information is stored in each responder device link database link record for the specific scene. No power cycle (air gap) is required to make these values active.
The only values which may require a power cycle to make effective are the "local" values which affect the switch where the paddle/button is pressed, not the level/ramp values used by the responders of a scene.
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Lee - thanks for the clear info.
This makes absolute sense, and is a relief! Having PowerHome eliminates my need to visit devices - very nice!
Quick other thing though: when I create a link the defaults are 255/31, is there a way to make this default to say 250/27, so I don't have to adjust every link I create?
Thank you!
Richard
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I was hoping someone would jump in on that part of the question. I have not found a way to set those as defaults. Don't know definitively there is not, but I have not found a way to do it. Normally if someone knows how to do something they jump in pretty quickly.
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