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jeffw_00
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From the 2.1b upgrade README….
"If you are upgrading from 1.03.4.12 and have an Insteon network, you may still have some work to do after launching PowerHome. The Insteon Types table has a new structure and the old Insteon Types have been removed. As such, all of your Insteon devices have been set with a device type of 0. When PowerHome is launched for the first time after upgrading, it will rapidly try to discover the proper types of all of your existing Insteon devices and set them to the proper Insteon Types using the new table. This works most of the time but there are some issues. If a device is flagged as COMM Failed or set Inactive, the query will not take place. Also, some devices do not respond to this query such as the ControLinc. Certain RF devices such as the RemoteLinc also will not respond unless they are manually placed in link mode. The last issue has to do with devices that were previously flagged as "Control Only". In the previous Insteon Types table (as well as the current), some entries are duplicated and have the "Control Only" flag set (their description also end with "(Control)"). All of these devices when they are discovered will be identified with a non "Control Only" Insteon Type. Devices that you don't want to show on the Device Status screen (flagged as "Control Only") will need to be manually set. If you are not upgrading from 1.03.4.12 or arent using Insteon, then this step can be ignored."
I'm sorry, but I don't totally follow this. I'm not 100% sure what an Insteon Type is, but I do have numerous ControlLincs as well as a RemoteLinc and a Insteon Motion Sensor.
The problem I have with the paragraph above is that I was looking for a "if you have this, then do this". I think the target of the "if you have this" is Insteon Control Devices as I listed in the previous paragraph, but I'm not sure what it is I'm supposed to do….
Also - if a device is flagged as COMM Failed, or Inactive, how do I know? What am I to do?
It sounds like I need to review the "type" fields for all my Insteon devices and set them right, but I don't know where these "types" are listed, or what I need to set them to.
Can someone who's been through this step explain it a little differently?
Thanks!
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Jeff, Insteon Types are in 2 places. Setup – Devices – Insteon – Types. Also Insteon Explorer – Types Tab. If, in the Insteon Explorer – Devices, any devices show red shaded area under the Green Header columns need to be checked if the conversion of some types is to be automatically updated in the tables in V2b. RemoteLinc for one has to be done manually but that was also true in R12. I found this not to any big deal or show stopper. In fact it was days before I cleaned any of these up and all I did was to check to see it look right. I assumed it was alright. I interpret the “Control Only” issues as how they will be or not be displayed in the Device Status screen. And I haven’t done these yet either. I did nothing about my numerous ControLincs. My 3 Motion Sensors gave me no problem. The RemoteLinc is always Shaded Red and set Inactive so that was no big deal. I still use it as I had set it up under R12. I basically found nothing in the “read me” a show stopper or any big deal. In the Devices screen in Insteon Explorer there are 2 headers one is Disable. That is checked for the RemoteLinc to keep PH from scanning that device which is normal. The other header is Don’t Display. I normally check theses for the ControLincs as I don’t need to know if they are on or off. If this sounds choppy well its Sunday.
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So what you're saying is that I need to go into those 2 places and make sure all the checkboxes are correct? There's a LOT of checkboxes! I understand you didn't need to fix your system, but that may be because your usage patterns avoid the issue, I don't know. Dave put that in the README because he thinks people should do -something-. I appreciate your reassurances that Dave is mistaken, but I respect him too much to ignore his words. Does anyone understand what the intent of his wording is (i.e., what do I need to fix/do?)
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NO, I did not intend to indicate Dave is mistaken. He was quite precise with what to look for. It is more for caution than got’chas. That’s what Read Me’s are for. If it was a major problem, that had to be addressed, I think it would had been in red in the install. My device screen is only 3 clicks long representing about 35 Insteon devices. The many X10s don’t show on that screen. As he indicated, just look for Control, RemoteLinc and Motion Sensor. You should show the RemoteLinc Flagged and you should have already had it Disabled. In my interpretation it was precautionary and I did not find anything as a show stopper. The only thing I found was my ControLinc all appeared on my Device Status screen as before they didn’t.
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I tend to be too wordy in my explanations and I think it sometimes leads to confusion  .
Basically what will happen is that the upgrade process will initially set all of your Insteon devices types to 0 (an internal value which is an undefined type) on the Devices tab of the Insteon Explorer. All of the available Insteon Types are on the Types tab and this list of types is referenced for each Insteon device. When PowerHome is first launched after the upgrade, it will recognize the devices with their type set to 0 and will query each device to try and determine its type. If the query is successful, the Type will be automatically updated for the Insteon device on the "Devices" tab (remember, these screens do not auto-update and you'll need to press "Save/Refresh" to see changes as they occur). This type query will be seen in the pending operations window of the Insteon Explorer (assuming its open).
Some devices will obviously fail this "query" and will not have their type automatically updated. You'll see this because their type will be set to -1 instead of 0. ControLincs will always fail the auto-discovery test. Devices that have been COMM failed (the reddish background) will also not update (they'll be left at 0). In any event, after all devices have attempted to have their type discovered (no more pending Type operations), you can go through the Devices tab and manually set the appropriate Insteon type for the device.
The other issue I tried to explain is that in the previous versions of PH, the Insteon Type (Types tab in Insteon Explorer) determined whether a device would actually "show" on the Device Status screen of PH (the "Control Only" flag would be checked). Because of this mechanism, in previous versions you would have 2 of each Insteon type...one had the Control Only flag unchecked and the other would have it checked. If you wanted a particular device to not show on the Device Status screen, you would select the Insteon Type that had "(Control)" in the description. This has all been removed and the Insteon Types screen no longer determines whether a device will show on the Device Status screen or not. This setting is now on a per device basis (rather than a per type basis) in the Devices tab. By default, ALL devices will default to showing on the Device Status screen. You'll just need to manually run through the devices and check the ones that you don't want to display. Typically ControLincs, RemoteLincs, and cross-linked switches that don't have the load connected to them are candidates for not showing on the device status screen.
Hope this clarifies.
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thanks guys - this is helping a lot
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Ok - I did the upgrade. All appears to work properly, except, best as I can tell, it did NOT go out to query any devices. Devices->Insteon->Types appears correct, but in InsteonExplorer->DevicesTab, the DeviceType for every device is 0.
What do I do now?
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Jeff,
Be sure and check "Enable Pending" in the Insteon Explorer until all of the Types are queried. You can then uncheck it. Alternatively, you can just manually set all the types but the auto discover will save you some effort.
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Thanks Dave - I had tried that, but didn't wait long enough I guess. It ran, and I filled in the remaining types by hand. I guess I'm all set now. This re-populated Device Status as well.
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