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nadler
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New version looks great. I'm puttering around to get my feet wet.
I have 2 KPLs but neither appears in the KPL tab window, altho they are both defined in devices as KPLs.
Nothing appears in the PLC Group window although I have a bunch of groups.
The reports are great. Let's you know what's going on and will help greatly with troubleshooting! I also like the popup help - helps alot.
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Noel,
The KPL's not showing up is a bug in the database upgrade process. Go to the "Types" tab and make sure your ControLinc has a check in the "ControLinc" column and make sure that all your KPL's have a check in the "KeypadLinc" column. You'll have close the Insteon Explorer and reopen it in order for this change to take effect (it'll be fixed very soon).
The PLC Group window allows you to assign an easily readable ID to a PLC group number. Even though you've already got links ties to a PLC group number, all you need to do is input lines here to associate an ID (you can do all 254 groups ahead of time if you wish). Once you've defined an ID to a PLC group, you can then use that ID for group commands in macros and the Device Control.
Glad you like it. I wasnt quite sure how it would be received. Ive had a couple of people tell me it looks more intimidating now.
Dave.
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| Posted: October 04 2006 at 09:39 | IP Logged
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Thanks. That worked. The KPL tab is now populated and I understand the PLC group.
I have another question on broken links/missing devices etc. I was never able to clear out all the broken links previously so, of course, I have some appearing now. In several devices I have been able to clear the bad links in the controller section but not the responder section.
For example I have a device with all links verified in the controller section. In the responder section I have 2 links of "ID NOT Found"/"Flagged Create"/"Checking". It's never going to find that ID because it doesn't exist. How do I get rid of it? Rebuild doesn't do the trick - I'm assuming because it keeps looking for a non existent device. Is this where you use Clear PLC database?
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Noel,
No, "Clear PLC Database" is for wiping out the little database internal to the PLC. Usually performed just prior to "Add ID's to PLC". This little database essential to the PLC lets the PLC know which devices it's allowed to communicate to.
The proper way to remove these types of links (at least 1 half of the link is good or valid) is to highlight these links in either the Controller window or Responder window (or both) by using a combination of clicking with the Ctrl or Shift keys. When the bad links are highlighted, press the right facing arrow below the right-hand device list to delete the responder links and press the right facing arrow above the right-hand device list to delete the controller links. You'll see all the highlighted links disappear. Press the "Save" button and you'll see them reappear but now with "FLAGGED DELETE". Watch the Pending operations and you should see them start to be deleted.
The other way to get rid of the links is to use the buttons just to the right of the right facing arrow buttons labeled "Remove Resp" and "Remove Ctlr". This will delete the links from the PowerHome database but will NOT get rid of them from an actual device. So what will happen in this case is that they will eventually be rediscovered. You use this option when both halfs of the link are bad or don't exist (they can't be deleted from a device because they don't truly exist).
So the rule is, if either half of the link exists or is good, use the arrows to remove them. If both halves are non-existant, use the "Remove" buttons to get them out of the database.
HTH,
Dave.
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Good info, thanks. I'm definitely copying it and putting it in my little PH Tips and Tricks cheat sheet.
I just received my 2.1 PLC from Smarthome. So I guess I'll install it, delete the links and hope I don't mess anything up.
Thanks again.
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Noel,
You don't want to delete your links. There are a several ways to get your new PLC in the system and let PowerHome do all the work.
First, if you want your devices to respond to both your old PLC and your new PLC (you can only use 1 at a time but you can swap back and forth if you need to), then you want to copy all of your links associate with the old PLC to the new PLC. To do this, Open the Insteon Explorer and go to the "Links" tab. Scroll the middle device window and highlight your old PLC. In the top Controllers window, click on the heading to highlight all rows. Click on the heading in the Responders window to highlight all rows. Click the "Copy" text. Scroll the middle device list window and highlight your new PLC device (if going this route, you should have already added it). With the new PLC highlighted, hit the "Paste" text and all of the old PLC links (both controllers and responders) will be copied to the new PLC. Look for any "Red" column areas that need values set and press "Save". Sit back and PowerHome will create the links.
The other methods are under the "Device Maint" tab of the Insteon Explorer. If the old PLC is going away and you havent already added the new PLC, use the "Replace Address" option. Depending upon what your final goal is, you can also use "Replace ID" and "Swap ID" to have PowerHome do all the work for you.
HTH,
Dave.
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I used replace device and everything is fine. (I did this before I saw your email).
I pressed the ADD ID to PLC in the setup tab. It successfully downloaded all the addresses. I clicked the active box in the Device Maintenance tab. It then created all the links by itself. I then found the bad links as discussed above and eliminated them in the way(s) you suggested. I now have a working setup with no bad links!
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