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Posted: September 10 2012 at 17:29 | IP Logged Quote MrGibbage
No matter how I try to create a controller/responder link to a KPL (KPL as
responder), I always get a link not found. Watching the insteon raw log, it
looks like things are working, and I can control the light directly from the
devices tab, but when I try to add it as a responder to the PLM, or another
light, I always get a LINK NOT FOUND error.

Am I doing something wrong?

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Posted: September 10 2012 at 20:27 | IP Logged Quote grif091
Although not known for sure the Relay version of the KeypadLinc could be an I2CS device. SmartLabs has been updating the Relay type devices to I2CS first.

If you can issue a cmd1 = decimal 13 cmd2 = 0 and post the Insteon Raw Log response I can tell for sure. The cmd2 response will be a 0xFF or 0x02 if an I2CS device.

If an I2CS device PH2 has to be on 2.1.4 and have the the I2CS zip (2 files) copied over the 2.1.4 files. Then a Scan Device has to be completed to mark the device as an I2CS device.

Edited by grif091 - September 17 2012 at 02:40

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Posted: September 15 2012 at 13:14 | IP Logged Quote MrGibbage
That was it. In fact, I realized that I didn't want the Relay version at all, so I reordered it with the
regular 2486D KPL 6-button dimmer.

I am using this for a ceiling fan control, with the big top and bottom buttons controlling the lights. The
four buttons in the middle are for fan off, fan low, fan med, and fan high. How would I set it up so that
one and only one of those four buttons is illuminated, indicating the state of the fan? Right now I can
press each one and the button will stay illuminated until I press it again, leading to a situation where I
could in fact have all four buttons illuminated. Can someone explain to me how to set up this KPL?

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Posted: September 15 2012 at 17:44 | IP Logged Quote grif091
The KPL Config tab is used to establish Radio buttons. Tried using that years ago with no luck so no help here. Hopefully there is someone who has set up Radio buttons and/or the feature is explained in the User Guide or in the forum.

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Posted: September 16 2012 at 10:17 | IP Logged Quote MrGibbage
Somehow, I think this is the answer, but I sure don't understand it

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To setup intrabutton linking: Intra-button linking allows you to set a KPL's buttons to control one
another. Keep in mind that intra-button linking in no way trigger's the group controlled by a button and ONLY
controls the status of the button's light. If you wish to have a secondary button (a button other than group 1)
control the main button (group 1), then you must do both intra-button linking as well as create a link with the
secondary button as a controller and the main button as a responder. To control the lights of secondary buttons
from other secondary buttons or the main button, you only need to do intra-button linking. Placing a check in the
"LED On" box will cause the light of the button to track the light of the controlling button. For example: If you
place a check in LED On boxes 3 and 4 of button 5, then when button 5 is on, both button 3 and 4 will be on. When
button 5 is off, both button 3 and 4 will be off. By placing a check in the "LED Off" box, the checked buttons
will be off when the controlling button is on. In the preceding example, if the checks are in LED Off of 3 and 4
of the Button 5 group, then when button 5 is turned on, buttons 3 and 4 will turn off if they were on. Turning
button 5 off, will not have an effect on buttons 3 and 4. Numerous combinations can be obtained by checking the
various LED On and LED Off boxes of the button groups and experimentation will likely be necessary to achieve
desired results.


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Posted: September 16 2012 at 10:36 | IP Logged Quote MrGibbage
I thought something like this would work, but it doesn't:


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Posted: September 16 2012 at 10:58 | IP Logged Quote grif091
Under KPL Config tab double click the KeypadLinc

For a 6 button KeypadLinc

KPL Button A is PH Button 3
KPL Button B is PH Button 4
KPL Button C is PH Button 5
KPL Button D is PH Button 6

To set up KPL Buttons A,B,C,D as Radio buttons, that is only one of these button LEDs can be On at a time

For Button 3 – check LED Off for Buttons 4,5,6
For Button 4 – check LED Off for Buttons 3.5.6
For Button 5 – check LED Off for Buttons 3.4.6
For Button 6 – check LED Off for Buttons 3.4.5

I tested this with an older KPL and it works. Newer KPLs use Extended commands to establish Radio button relationships. I’m not sure if using the old Peek/Poke method to set Radio button configuration will work with a newer KPL.

IMPORTANT: this only controls which KPL button LEDs are On/Off. It does not cause the buttons that are turned Off to trigger an Off event.

Referencing your last post, the buttons should be in Toggle mode and none of the LED On boxes should be checked

Don't know what magic your ID has as I cannot upload a jpg screen capture (121k)

Edited by grif091 - September 16 2012 at 11:04

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Posted: September 16 2012 at 11:53 | IP Logged Quote dhoward
Skip,

You won't be able to get it the way you like 100%, but you should be able to get close.

First, set all buttons as toggle. For buttons 1,2,7,8 have no checks in the LED On/Off columns.

Button 3, put a check in 3 LED On. Put a check in 4,5,6 LED Off.

Button 4, put a check in 4 LED On. Put a check in 3,5,6 LED Off.

Button 5, put a check in 5 LED On. Put a check in 3,4,6 LED Off.

Button 6, put a check in 6 LED On. Put a check in 3,4,5 LED Off.

This will leave the main on and off buttons (for the light) with normal operation. Buttons 3,4,5,6 will only have 1 button lit at a time. The only problem with this setup is that if you press a button that is already lit, it will turn off leaving all buttons (3,4,5,6) turned off.

The reason why changing the button from a toggle to an On (or an off) won't work is that what controls whether the button sends an on or an off is the actual lit/unlit status of the button. If the button is lit and is set to on or off then the button will always stay lit and only send an on (which is what you want). The problem is with the LED On/Off checks. When you have a button turn off the LED on the other buttons, all those buttons that you just setup as "On only" buttons are now changed to "Off only" buttons. It would be great if you could set a button as On only or off only independant of the status of its LED but this is the way Insteon works.

Hope this helps,

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Posted: September 16 2012 at 11:56 | IP Logged Quote dhoward
Doh,

Lee, you beat me to it . I was playing with this for the last 30 minutes trying to see if there was a way to work around but as we've both found out, there isnt.

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Posted: September 16 2012 at 14:08 | IP Logged Quote MrGibbage
Well, I think I might have a different problem now. I can make changes to
the check boxes and whatnot here, click save, watch the Insteon raw log roll
by and everything looks good. But when I double-click on the KPL name on the
left side to reload the configuration, it always comes back the same with
pretty much random check marks all over the place. The check marks are
always the same each time I do this, but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme
or reason. So, it looks like the configuration isn't actually being saved???

By the way, I couldn't upload a jpg either. I ended up putting the image on
my web server and linking to it from there. I got some sort of database
error from the server when I tried uploading it myself.

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Posted: September 16 2012 at 14:18 | IP Logged Quote grif091
When the correct checks have been made and Saved do the KPL buttons work as desired?

Check Echo Raw Log to File, double click KPL. Set the checks as desired, Save. Double click the KPL and post the Raw Log


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Posted: September 16 2012 at 18:20 | IP Logged Quote MrGibbage
I just found the "echo raw log to file" check box. But when
I check it, I get an error that it could not open the file
"", indicating that I haven't set the file name where to
write the log. Where do I set the file name?

To answer Lee, when I hit "Save", the KPL buttons do not
work as desired. It looks like no changes have been made to
the KPL at all.

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Posted: September 16 2012 at 18:36 | IP Logged Quote grif091
Under Maintenance | Powerhome Explorer | Setup | Controllers | Settings, set the Echo Log File input field to something like c:\temp\phlog.txt. It must be a fully qualified file name. Click Done, then Reinit Powerhome.

The Echo Raw Log to File will write to this file. PH keeps the Raw Log File open until Echo check box is unchecked.

It does sound like the KeypadLinc is not being updated. Since Dave and I both used KPL Config today I do not know until I see the Raw Log file. There is a remote possibility SmartLabs has started shipping Dimmers with I2CS firmware. That firmware drops the Peek/Poke commands the KPL Config tab uses. I have not seen a Dimmer have I2CS firmware but it is just a matter of time until SmartLabs starts updating Dimmers.

The Raw Log file should indicate the problem regardless of what it is.



Edited by grif091 - September 16 2012 at 18:38

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Posted: September 16 2012 at 18:44 | IP Logged Quote MrGibbage
Here's the log:


// First, here is where I double-clicked the KPL
2012-09-16 19:39:04.063     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 28 00
2012-09-16 19:39:04.097     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 28 00 06
2012-09-16 19:39:04.331     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 28 00
2012-09-16 19:39:04.399     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 28 00
2012-09-16 19:39:04.402     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 32
2012-09-16 19:39:04.450     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 32 06
2012-09-16 19:39:04.675     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 32
2012-09-16 19:39:04.742     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 32
2012-09-16 19:39:04.746     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 21
2012-09-16 19:39:04.780     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 21 06
2012-09-16 19:39:05.283     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 22 2B 21
2012-09-16 19:39:05.351     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 22
2012-09-16 19:39:05.382     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 22 06
2012-09-16 19:39:05.635     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 22
2012-09-16 19:39:05.703     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 22
2012-09-16 19:39:05.707     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 23
2012-09-16 19:39:05.740     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 23 06
2012-09-16 19:39:06.243     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 22 2B 23
2012-09-16 19:39:06.313     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 30
2012-09-16 19:39:06.344     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 30 06
2012-09-16 19:39:06.595     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 30
2012-09-16 19:39:06.667     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 30
2012-09-16 19:39:06.671     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 31
2012-09-16 19:39:06.702     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 31 06
2012-09-16 19:39:08.019     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 27 2B 31
2012-09-16 19:39:08.088     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 28 02
2012-09-16 19:39:08.116     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 28 02 06
2012-09-16 19:39:08.994     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 27 28 02
2012-09-16 19:39:09.063     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 41
2012-09-16 19:39:09.093     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 41 06
2012-09-16 19:39:09.346     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 41
2012-09-16 19:39:09.414     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 42
2012-09-16 19:39:09.444     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 42 06
2012-09-16 19:39:09.698     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 42
2012-09-16 19:39:09.765     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 42
2012-09-16 19:39:09.769     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 43
2012-09-16 19:39:09.794     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 43 06
2012-09-16 19:39:10.034     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 43
2012-09-16 19:39:10.102     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 43
2012-09-16 19:39:10.106     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 44
2012-09-16 19:39:10.133     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 44 06
2012-09-16 19:39:10.386     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 44
2012-09-16 19:39:10.454     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 44
2012-09-16 19:39:10.458     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 45
2012-09-16 19:39:10.490     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 45 06
2012-09-16 19:39:10.738     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 45
2012-09-16 19:39:10.806     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 46
2012-09-16 19:39:10.836     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 46 06
2012-09-16 19:39:11.090     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 46
2012-09-16 19:39:11.157     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 46
2012-09-16 19:39:11.161     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 47
2012-09-16 19:39:11.187     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 47 06
2012-09-16 19:39:11.442     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 47
2012-09-16 19:39:11.509     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 47
2012-09-16 19:39:11.513     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 48
2012-09-16 19:39:11.541     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 48 06
2012-09-16 19:39:11.794     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 48
2012-09-16 19:39:11.862     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 48
2012-09-16 19:39:11.866     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 51
2012-09-16 19:39:11.898     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 51 06
2012-09-16 19:39:12.146     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 51
2012-09-16 19:39:12.214     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 51
2012-09-16 19:39:12.218     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 49
2012-09-16 19:39:12.249     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 49 06
2012-09-16 19:39:14.194     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 27 2B 49
2012-09-16 19:39:14.263     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4A
2012-09-16 19:39:14.291     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4A 06
2012-09-16 19:39:14.545     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4A
2012-09-16 19:39:14.617     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4A
2012-09-16 19:39:14.621     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4B
2012-09-16 19:39:14.652     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4B 06
2012-09-16 19:39:14.897     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4B
2012-09-16 19:39:14.991     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4B
2012-09-16 19:39:14.996     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4C
2012-09-16 19:39:15.029     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4C 06
2012-09-16 19:39:15.281     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4C
2012-09-16 19:39:15.350     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4C
2012-09-16 19:39:15.353     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4D
2012-09-16 19:39:15.385     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4D 06
2012-09-16 19:39:15.633     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4D
2012-09-16 19:39:15.700     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4D
2012-09-16 19:39:15.706     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4E
2012-09-16 19:39:15.729     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4E 06
2012-09-16 19:39:16.241     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 22 2B 4E
2012-09-16 19:39:16.312     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4F
2012-09-16 19:39:16.342     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4F 06
2012-09-16 19:39:16.577     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4F
2012-09-16 19:39:16.644     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4F
2012-09-16 19:39:16.648     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 50
2012-09-16 19:39:16.674     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 50 06
2012-09-16 19:39:17.185     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 22 2B 50
2012-09-16 19:39:17.253     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 52
2012-09-16 19:39:17.283     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 52 06
2012-09-16 19:39:17.777     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 22 2B 52

// Here is where I saved the KPL settings
2012-09-16 19:40:26.986     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 28 00
2012-09-16 19:40:27.026     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 28 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:27.257     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 28 00
2012-09-16 19:40:27.324     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 28 00
2012-09-16 19:40:27.329     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 23
2012-09-16 19:40:27.364     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 23 06
2012-09-16 19:40:27.602     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 23
2012-09-16 19:40:27.670     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 23
2012-09-16 19:40:27.674     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 21
2012-09-16 19:40:27.707     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 21 06
2012-09-16 19:40:28.210     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 22 29 21
2012-09-16 19:40:28.277     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 28 02
2012-09-16 19:40:28.308     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 28 02 06
2012-09-16 19:40:28.562     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 28 02
2012-09-16 19:40:28.631     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 28 02
2012-09-16 19:40:28.636     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 41
2012-09-16 19:40:28.667     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 41 06
2012-09-16 19:40:28.914     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 41
2012-09-16 19:40:28.981     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 41
2012-09-16 19:40:28.985     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:29.016     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:29.875     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 27 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:29.945     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 42
2012-09-16 19:40:29.973     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 42 06
2012-09-16 19:40:30.227     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 42
2012-09-16 19:40:30.293     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 42
2012-09-16 19:40:30.298     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:30.331     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:30.568     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:30.577     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:34.328     RX  &nbs p;  INSTEON TIMEOUT=1D FE 92
2012-09-16 19:40:34.357     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:34.392     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:34.628     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:34.696     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:34.700     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 43
2012-09-16 19:40:34.735     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 43 06
2012-09-16 19:40:34.972     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 43
2012-09-16 19:40:35.039     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 43
2012-09-16 19:40:35.044     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 04
2012-09-16 19:40:35.077     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 04 06
2012-09-16 19:40:35.948     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 27 29 04
2012-09-16 19:40:36.015     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 44
2012-09-16 19:40:36.046     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 44 06
2012-09-16 19:40:36.300     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 44
2012-09-16 19:40:36.367     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 44
2012-09-16 19:40:36.372     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 08
2012-09-16 19:40:36.403     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 08 06
2012-09-16 19:40:36.652     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 08
2012-09-16 19:40:36.719     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 08
2012-09-16 19:40:36.724     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 45
2012-09-16 19:40:36.755     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 45 06
2012-09-16 19:40:36.988     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 45
2012-09-16 19:40:37.061     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 45
2012-09-16 19:40:37.065     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 10
2012-09-16 19:40:37.099     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 10 06
2012-09-16 19:40:37.340     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 10
2012-09-16 19:40:37.407     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 10
2012-09-16 19:40:37.411     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 46
2012-09-16 19:40:37.443     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 46 06
2012-09-16 19:40:37.724     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 46
2012-09-16 19:40:37.792     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 46
2012-09-16 19:40:37.796     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 20
2012-09-16 19:40:37.829     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 20 06
2012-09-16 19:40:38.076     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 20
2012-09-16 19:40:38.143     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 20
2012-09-16 19:40:38.147     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 47
2012-09-16 19:40:38.179     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 47 06
2012-09-16 19:40:38.684     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 22 2B 47
2012-09-16 19:40:38.752     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:38.788     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:39.281     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 22 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:39.353     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 48
2012-09-16 19:40:39.377     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 48 06
2012-09-16 19:40:39.633     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 48
2012-09-16 19:40:39.699     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 48
2012-09-16 19:40:39.704     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:39.737     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:39.973     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:39.982     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:43.738     RX  &nbs p;  INSTEON TIMEOUT=1D FE 92
2012-09-16 19:40:43.768     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:43.798     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:44.034     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:44.102     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 51
2012-09-16 19:40:44.133     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 51 06
2012-09-16 19:40:44.386     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 51
2012-09-16 19:40:44.453     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 51
2012-09-16 19:40:44.457     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:44.491     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:44.726     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:44.793     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:44.798     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 49
2012-09-16 19:40:44.833     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 49 06
2012-09-16 19:40:45.070     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 49
2012-09-16 19:40:45.137     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 49
2012-09-16 19:40:45.142     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:45.175     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:45.410     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:45.481     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4A
2012-09-16 19:40:45.507     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4A 06
2012-09-16 19:40:45.762     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4A
2012-09-16 19:40:45.835     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4A
2012-09-16 19:40:45.839     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:45.873     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:46.110     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:46.177     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:46.181     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4B
2012-09-16 19:40:46.217     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4B 06
2012-09-16 19:40:46.453     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4B
2012-09-16 19:40:46.522     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4B
2012-09-16 19:40:46.527     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 38
2012-09-16 19:40:46.560     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 38 06
2012-09-16 19:40:46.805     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 38
2012-09-16 19:40:46.877     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 38
2012-09-16 19:40:46.881     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4C
2012-09-16 19:40:46.914     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4C 06
2012-09-16 19:40:47.157     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4C
2012-09-16 19:40:47.224     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4C
2012-09-16 19:40:47.228     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 34
2012-09-16 19:40:47.262     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 34 06
2012-09-16 19:40:47.509     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 34
2012-09-16 19:40:47.577     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 34
2012-09-16 19:40:47.582     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4D
2012-09-16 19:40:47.615     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4D 06
2012-09-16 19:40:48.117     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 22 2B 4D
2012-09-16 19:40:48.186     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 2C
2012-09-16 19:40:48.216     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 2C 06
2012-09-16 19:40:48.453     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 2C
2012-09-16 19:40:48.522     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 2C
2012-09-16 19:40:48.527     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4E
2012-09-16 19:40:48.560     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4E 06
2012-09-16 19:40:48.805     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4E
2012-09-16 19:40:48.877     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4E
2012-09-16 19:40:48.881     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 1C
2012-09-16 19:40:48.914     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 1C 06
2012-09-16 19:40:49.157     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 1C
2012-09-16 19:40:49.224     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 1C
2012-09-16 19:40:49.228     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 4F
2012-09-16 19:40:49.262     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 4F 06
2012-09-16 19:40:49.509     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4F
2012-09-16 19:40:49.577     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 4F
2012-09-16 19:40:49.582     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:49.616     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:49.854     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:49.922     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 50
2012-09-16 19:40:49.952     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 50 06
2012-09-16 19:40:50.461     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 22 2B 50
2012-09-16 19:40:50.537     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:50.568     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:50.804     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:50.876     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:50.881     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 2B 52
2012-09-16 19:40:50.916     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 52 06
2012-09-16 19:40:51.148     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 52
2012-09-16 19:40:51.216     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 52
2012-09-16 19:40:51.220     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:51.253     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 29 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:51.521     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:51.589     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 29 00
2012-09-16 19:40:51.593     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 1D FE 92 05 24 00
2012-09-16 19:40:51.629     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 24 00 06
2012-09-16 19:40:52.488     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 27 24 00

I'm glad that you know how to read these. Would you care to provide a lesson on what to look for in
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Posted: September 16 2012 at 19:22 | IP Logged Quote grif091
This is not good. It presents with the classic I2CS device response to Peek/Poke. The I2CS firmware simply echoes the command back with the same values that were sent to it rather than returning the data. This indicates the Dimmer is an I2CS device.

This is a Peek command ACK. The Peek command (0x2B) provides the Low Order byte of the memory address to read. It should return the data at location 0x32. Instead the address (0x32) is being echoed back.

2012-09-16 19:39:04.675     RX &nbs p; RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 32

1D FE 92 = address of KeypadLinc
14 85 10 = address of PLM
21 = flag byte – ACK
2B = cmd1 = Peek command
32 = cmd2 – Low Order address of memory to Peek (read)

The 32 should have been the data returned rather than the address of memory

2012-09-16 19:39:04.450     RX &nbs p; SENTINSTEON=14 85 10 1D FE 92 05 2B 32 06
2012-09-16 19:39:04.675     RX &nbs p; RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 32
2012-09-16 19:39:04.742     RX &nbs p; RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=1D FE 92 14 85 10 21 2B 32

The positive proof of being an I2CS Dimmer device is issue this command

ph_insteonwithret("keypadlinc ID",13, 0)

This is what the result will look like

2012-09-16 20:15:29.875     TX  &nbs p;  02 62 17 6F 25 05 0D 00
2012-09-16 20:15:30.156     RX  &nbs p;  SENTINSTEON=0F 44 DC 17 6F 25 05 0D 00 06
2012-09-16 20:15:30.250     RX  &nbs p;  RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=17 6F 25 0F 44 DC 21 0D 02

The 0x02 in the last byte of the last line indicates I2CS.   If the authorization link does not exist the 0x02 will be 0xFF for an I2CS device.


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Posted: September 16 2012 at 19:28 | IP Logged Quote MrGibbage
OK, I understand what you are saying. So, is there a workaround? Is there a way to
tap-tap config the buttons?

I think I recall Dave saying that he was working on I2CS support in PH. If the I2CS
support is added, will setting the KPL buttons be included in that feature set? I'm
currently on ver 2.1.4, by the way.

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The KeypadLinc User Guide describes the process of establishing Radio buttons manually. The example is complex and for two buttons only. Expanding to four buttons is a real mess. The KPL User Guide recommends using software to set Radio buttons because it is so complex when done manually.

Installing 2.1.4 with the I2CS support Zip on top is not going to fix this. The I2CS ZIP Dave released addresses I2CS link management. It does not address the other issues associated with an I2CS device such as KPL button configuration.

I set my KeypadLinc to I2CS, Reinited and it did not affect KPL Config. It continued to use Peek/Poke commands which do not exist in an I2CS device. Dave would have to release additional I2CS support for 2.1.4 or wait for 2.1.5.


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Ahh...

Lee, thanks for all your help here! Dave, if you need a
beta tester for 2.1.5, I'm your man!

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OK, now I ham having a different problem. I seem to be able to create links between
my KPL and different PLM groups. I can go to the device tab, and control the KPL from
PH. But when I go to the groups tab, I cannot control the light for the groups that
it has linked to. The other lights in the group work as expected, but not the KPL.
It's like it hasn't linked to the PLM. I also tried clearing the PLM database and
"add full" with no luck. I also checked for the clear failed on the device tab and it
is not red, so it looks like PH is talking to the KPL correctly.

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Posted: September 24 2012 at 07:27 | IP Logged Quote grif091
Is it the KPL load that is not being controlled or one of the KPL secondary buttons?

With the PLM selected as the Current Device what is in the Green Button column for the PLM Group that is not working?

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