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smarty
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+2 to the run....
Edited by smarty - December 11 2014 at 13:34
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Handman
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Well in true Smarthome fashion, the price has now doubled to over $50!! Hope y'all got 'em early. I suppose they are running a form of yield management software which adjusts the price just like airline seats.
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Handman,
I just checked (using the original link that Herb Jones supplied) and its still showing $25.99. Try this link: http://www.smarthome.com/insteon-2448a7-portable-usb-adapter .html
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Yeah, both prices are listed. If you do a search for "Insteon USB" then the first item is the 2448a7 and its price shows $49.99. If you click on the device, it WILL take you to the product page and the price is still $25.99. OK, I take back all those bad things I said about Smarthome . . . NOT!
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Planning to take advantage of the Labor Day sale this weekend to buy some new Insteon devices. Is the 2448a7 still the best/recommended controller to get? Thanks.
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Kempo,
Hope it isnt too late but I still feel that the 2448a7
is one of the best Insteon controllers since it has no
direct connection to the powerline. Only thing it cant
do is X10 but most people dont need it.
Good luck,
Dave.
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JohnP
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The 2448a7 looks very good based on these posts. I am confused in that the Controller Wizard does not list this interface. What do you select there to use this one?
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John,
The 2448a7 is an "Insteon PLM".
Dave.
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Dave,
So in the wizard do you select PowerLineModem (PLM)2412U (USB)even though the number is different?
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John,
Yes. Even though the models are different, they all use
the same protocol.
Dave.
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Dave,
Thanks. Next question: I've ordered a 2448A7 and will use that for Insteon to avoid the power glitches. I still have a few X-10 units and a Power Link Modem Serial(2412SH). Can I use that modem for X-10 devices without any interference between the two PLM controllers?
I've been using HouseLinc and intend to switch to PowerHome2.
John
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John,
Shouldnt give you any problems. The 2448A7 can neither
hear nor send X10 commands so you're good there. You
can control the sending of Insteon commands within
PowerHome by setting all your devices default
controller to the 2448A7. However, both devices will
"hear" or receive Insteon commands so they'll just
come into PowerHome twice. This would only cause a
problem with triggers which may fire twice but can
usually be mitigated with a formula in the boolean
field.
You should be ok.
Dave.
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To resurrect this discussion, my 2413U PLM is getting flakey. I constantly get the "Communications problem", attempting to restart... Message box. The PLM needs to be pulled out and plugged in every few days.
So, I am considering this as a "workaround":
Restart PowerHome and the PC - via a PH timed event, have PowerHome turn off and then via a Windows scheduled task, reboot the (dedicated) PC, late at night. I have the PC configured with an auto login, and PowerHome set to start at login.
Restart the PLM - get a digital timer outlet and have it turn off the PLM for 1 minute every day late at night. Anything wrong with this, or is there a better way?
On a different front, what is the preferred PLM these days? I see the 2448A7 on Amazon but not Smarthome?!? About 2 years ago I tried a 2448A7 and found it to not be reliable, many NAKs. Have there been any version improvements to the 2448A7, or PH? I am running PH v2.1.5d, and have no X-10. Maybe I should give the 2448A7 a try again to eliminate having a PLM plugged into the wall...
Any direction or comments are greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Richard
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Richard,
Have you tried clearing PLM database and adding it back.
backup your PM database just in case. ( I use to have
2413U and it worked for me once)
do you have serial port if so 2413S is a good PLM.
its not USB so power cycling in case you have any
problem is easier you may not have to reboot PC or even
need to exit from PH to restart. (with some outlet
control).
2448A7 seems RF only so in your install most likely to
have to have access point to work or those dual band
switch converts the signal.
Good Luck
Nick
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Nick –
Yes I have performed the PLM clear/add min and clear add/full – still funky. I used to have a 2413S and it was good, but over time it went bad. At that time I went USB as it was the more current technology. I am sensing that the PLM gets into a bad state due to either age and/or power issues. For a 2448A7, I have an access point plugged in right next to the PLM, so RF shouldn’t be an issue.
I also have a timed event to back up the database every night, I then keep about 90 days of databases before I trim out the old ones.
I appreciate the direction and thoughts.
Richard
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Richard,
My PLM has been running for years now, but I suspect it locks up at least once a week. My workaround was based on an idea Dave gave me. It may or may not work for you depending on what you log with PH. If the PLM locks up/looses comm a system message is generated. I now have a trigger that whenever a system message is generated, I use my X-10 Firecracker to signal the Insteon/X10 outlet to shut off - killing power to the PLM. 10 seconds later the Firecracker signals the outlet back on and the PLM is restored after the power reboot. I also generate an email from this trigger to keep track of how often it happens and check the log to see if the PLM really did loose comm, or whether another system message triggered the issue. Good luck!
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Also if someone is up to the task /risk - how to change
capacitors on PLM it for 2413S but it has a good point.
https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/13866-repair-
of-2413s-plm-when-the-power-supply-fails/
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Richard,
Your proposed workaround sounds like it work. The only potential issue I see is the digital timer on the PLM. You would want the PLM to be switched off and back on while the PC is also off. If I were doing it, I would probably use PowerHome to first disconnect the controller, then another outlet switching solution controlled by PowerHome to disconnect power to the PLM. Once that is complete, I would then initiate the PowerHome shutdown followed by restarting the PC. You should also be able to do this from PowerHome (rather than a scheduled task) by using the ph_run function for the below:
shutdown -r -f -t 60
This will cause the PC to reboot 60 seconds after the command is issued and would give you time to have PowerHome terminate itself.
Concerning "best" PLM's....I still like the 2448A7 due to it's lack of connection to the powerline. The problem though is being RF only and relatively low power at that, you need an Access point or dual band device in close proximity to relay the signal. Im unaware of any recent changes to this device.
The 2413S is probably the best all around. It's plugged into the mains but doesnt have the issue with the USB side (in the 2413U) being powered from the computer. This prevents alot of problems associated with two power inputs into the one device and the possibility where mains power can be lost and USB power remains or vice versa.
My main insteon interface at the moment is an original version (rectangular) of the Insteon hub. This is of course mains connected but has no connection to the PC other than TCP/IP and has been pretty solid for me. I might have to power cycle it once a year to keep things working smoothly. The big issue here though is that this version is no longer available and has been replaced with the newer (square) version of the Insteon hub. The problem with this hub is that it is NOT currently compatible with PowerHome for use a controller due to the monumentally stupid move by SmartHome to remove the direct PLM interface that is in the original hub. I am adding support for the HTTP interface offered by the newer hub but I really don't think it works as well as the direct port interface.
I like the idea of recapping the 2413S. I may have to dig out my units (all failed) and give it a try.
Dave.
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Handman - the X10 solution sounds good, and I REALLY like that it is dynamic according to any errors being thrown.
Nick - my frustration with the PLMs would probably have me not using a soldering iron on the unit, but a sledgehammer ļ
Dave - I see the sequencing and logic one thing I am not certain on is how does the PLM get turned back on?
1: Disconnect the PLM from PH
2: Power off the PLM (which, for example: can be plugged into an appliancelinc or outletlinc)
3: Submit PC shutdown command 1 minute in the future
4: Exit PH
5: PC will reboot then autologin and PH starts up
So - when and how does the PLM get powered back on? If the PLM is off how can PH control the appliancelinc or outletlinc?
Also, I could trigger this full sequence only if I get an error as Handman does.
Regarding the inevitable PLM replacement, I could try the 2448A7 again with an access point within 1 or 2 feet of the PLM.
Thank you.
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Looking at X10 to control power to the PLM, I have from my X10 days, an RR501 transceiver module. Will that work with the Firecracker? And, the RR501 has a 2 prong socket, no ground – will that be an issue?
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