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Hey guys, I am having a small issue and I am trying to see what is wrong.
I have followed these instructions to create a group, however the group and link the lights, however the group doesn't work the lights via the ControlCenter?
Under Insteon Explorer, PLC/PLM Groups tab, define a Group. At this tab you are assigning an ID to a particular PLC/PLM Group number. Under the Insteon Explorer, Links tab select the PLC/PLM Controller you are using as the "Current Device". Drag the devices you want to be responders to the "Responders (of Current Device)" frame. When saved (and the Enable Pending option is checked), the necessary links will be written to the PLC/PLM and the responder devices. When complete the Group ID can be used in a ph_insteongroup() function to turn the Group On and OFf.
Any ideas on what I am doing wrong?
Future Request: Would it be difficult to add creating groups to the existing wizard?
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Dave
Just to confirm, the Group does control the responders with a ph_insteongroup() command. However, CC button does not control the Group.
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Should it? This is something that I am used to in HomeSeer. Just so I know are we supposed to just add a TimedEvent that controls the group?
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Don't know what you are asking regarding "Should it?"
I am trying to determine if the Group has been defined correctly. In the Insteon Explorer, upper left section there is an Input field with the Macro/Formula label. Enter
ph_insteongroup("Group80", 17, 0)
changing Group80 to your Group ID and click on the Run button. Do the responders turn On?
Once we know the basic Group works then the more complex CC question can be addressed.
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Hey Lee, that doesn't work. I also went to the PLC/PLM Groups and tried to control it from there as well and turn them on and its a no go.
Just as a test I did the following:
1. Went to the Insteon Explorer
2. Selected the PLC/PLM Groups
3. Clicked Append
4. Typed in All for the ID
5. Typed in 2 for the Group Number
6. Click save / refresh
7. Clicked on the Links tab
8. Selected my Powerlin1 under Insteon Device ID
9. I dragged my foyer light to the right hand "Responders (of current device)
NOTE: When I do this the item is highlighted in red indicating that I have missing fields.
10. I typed in 2 for group
11. I typed in 0 Button
12. I went to the Macro / Formula and put in ph_insteongroup("all", 17, 0)
13. Hit run
I see the Insteon Raw log display the following:
TX codes
Result is nothing.
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Under PLC/PLM Groups tab, what Group number did you assign to the Group?
Under Links tab, select the PH powerline controller as the Current Device. Scroll the Responders section to the Group number that matches the PLC/PLM Group number and look to the right at the Ctlr Link Status and Resp Link Status columns. Do both columns show Verified? If not then the Link records were not written to support the Group definition. Most likely the Enable Pending needs to be checked.
If both are Verified for all the Responders of the Group number, post what is displayed in the Insteon Raw Log window when you Run the ph_insteongroup() function.
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For the Ctrl Link Status is shows Pending save for the new one and flagged created for the others.
Enable pending is checked. After a reinitialize it now shows flagged created for everything.
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You can click on the Reverify button to have the link records read to insure they were actually created.
I was wrong with the test using the Macro/Formula field. It does not actually run the Group on my system. Select Control | Device Status, scroll to the Group definition for the PLC/PLM Group, select On and Off in the Control (first) column. I did this to verify that it will drive the Group. Does the Responder turn On and Off.
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Hey Lee, when I click Reverify it doesn't do anything. When I click Control | Device Status and go to my new group with the one foyer light, on does nothing. The responder is dead, lol
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This may sound stupid but does the Foyer Light respond to normal Insteon commands? Like in a Macro…
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Yes.
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While Lee is thinking I assume there you have checked for any red shaded areas in Insteon Explorer and cleared them if present.
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The Status (second) column should turn Yellow when it changes to On.
Post the Insteon Raw Log from a Device Status On to the Group. Under Powerhome Explorer, Setup | Controllers | Settings, the Echo Log file is the name of the file the Insteon Raw Log can be written to. This is a fully qualified name C:\temp\phlog.txt for example. I think a Reinit is necessary to have this definition take effect. Under the Insteon Explorer the Echo Raw Log to File option needs to be checked for PH to write the Insteon Raw Log.
This is what is expected ...
2011-02-09 17:11:12.320 TX &nbs p; 02 62 00 00 50 CF 11 FF Group Broadcast 0x50 = dec 80 = group
2011-02-09 17:11:12.335 RX &nbs p; SENTINSTEON=0F 44 DC 00 00 50 CF 11 FF 06
2011-02-09 17:11:13.132 TX &nbs p; 02 62 0C 8C 3B 45 11 50 Group Cleanup to Responder 0C 8C 3B
2011-02-09 17:11:13.414 RX &nbs p; SENTINSTEON=0F 44 DC 0C 8C 3B 45 11 50 06
2011-02-09 17:11:13.570 RX &nbs p; RECEIVEINSTEONRAW=0C 8C 3B 0F 44 DC 61 11 50
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Yep, and I have filled them in with the correct information that I believe (group and button number). I reinitialize and then it just stays in flagged create. If i can get past that I think it will work :)
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I can create the same scenario if pending is NOT check. I know you said it was earlier. Is it checked under controller settings. BTW what OS are you on?
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I have the log going and all I see is the following over and over:
2011-02-09 17:31:03.683 RX &nbs p; PROGRESSMAX=1024
2011-02-09 17:31:03.714 RX &nbs p; PROGRESS=0%,0,1024
2011-02-09 17:31:04.401 RX &nbs p; PROGRESS=12%,128,1024
2011-02-09 17:31:05.198 RX &nbs p; PROGRESS=25%,256,1024
2011-02-09 17:31:05.886 RX &nbs p; PROGRESS=37%,384,1024
2011-02-09 17:31:06.573 RX &nbs p; PROGRESS=50%,512,1024
2011-02-09 17:31:07.370 RX &nbs p; PROGRESS=62%,640,1024
2011-02-09 17:31:08.058 RX &nbs p; PROGRESS=75%,768,1024
2011-02-09 17:31:08.855 RX &nbs p; PROGRESS=87%,896,1024
2011-02-09 17:31:09.542 RX &nbs p; PROGRESSEND=TRUE
I have selected in the Device Status both groups for on and off and no group broadcasts are logged.
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BeachBum wrote:
| I can create the same scenario if pending is NOT check. I know you said it was earlier. Is it checked under controller settings. BTW what OS are you on? |
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This is interesting. I have removed all my groups and created a new test one. I have removed Enable Pending and I can save which then changes the link status from saved to Flagged Create. If I try click on create ( I dont know if this is needed or not) I get the following error:
This option will attempt to create PowerHome Insteon Devices from the selected controllers with an ID of [ID NOT FOUND].
I am using Windows XP with service pack 2 and all of the latest updates.
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There has been a problem in the past when the controller was used with homeseer it go into the endless loop routine you showed. You might want to hard reset the PLC and do a clear then add min.
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Ok, let me try this.
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That message sequence is the PLC initialization. That should happen only when PH starts or Reinits. Nothing can happen while these messages are being generated. It that is the last thing in the Insteon Raw log but not continuing PH is not trying to communicate with the PLC.
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