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Dave, I've fought this battle before. I just have to get
rid of powerhome entries that are not related to a
search. I personally pushed the time a little longer from
the debugging end than intended and probably was more
frustrated from the receiving end. If Carl has time I
think I can wrap it up in about an hours time. I'll
follow up...
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Pete -
Awesome effort on your part. I have worked with PH for
years but have never achieved your level of insight.
Your efforts are a prime example of why this PH Forum
may be one of the best I have ever seen, as members so
often generously pitch in and help others.
Kudos for all your help to Carl. 
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dhoward wrote:
Pete,
WOW, that is definitely some dedication. Really appreciate you lending your knowledge and expertise. I don't really remember having specific
problems going from 2.1b to the various 2.1.x releases that followed. The only thing is that going direct from 2.1b to 2.1.5c would require 2 or
more passes with at least a couple of different versions of the phupg utility (The phupg.exe that is in the PH directory and one or more older
versions in the phupg.zip file in the PH directory).
I know Carl said he didnt have any of the registry entries but Im wondering (based upon Windows version) if they arent mapped somewhere else. I
would do a search on each of the GUID's below to see if they show anywhere in his registry:
3035DF25-9BF0-43E5-BACD-2B7ADDF6BE3C
6F5835AC-A1D6-4F0E-A0A4-156E855965E4
6F7D953F-C266-4789-945D-81212189FEBD
8A30E8FD-97F4-4CF0-BEBE-F2AE65856BD2
312969DC-B5EA-46AE-8C12-60C8BBD61CD8
3EE51B0D-6600-469E-AE1B-B4BCE5217FA4
3C54EE59-A387-40BA-8DE3-6377B8752D9E
5BE09872-9011-42FE-A987-61A555F57A6C
9185AEA7-A03D-4EA5-928A-8619D7107DBA
7B432C74-8E9B-4C88-AAD0-4020281D256B
3A7DC059-9717-4124-9AD5-44A9FBDC0687
613DAD43-6D2B-4D69-9BD0-19BB3115E7B8
4BDA3BC5-6A92-4CC4-89BD-F47E8A6A7FDF
If any of these exist, they will prevent the install of 2.1.5c on the machine. If the machine is really unstable and the machine is primarily
used for PowerHome, we could always reload the OS and then there wouldnt be any problem with old installs.
Let me know what you find out.
Dave.
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It was quite some dedication. Pete is a great guy. I searched for the GUIDs in HKLM:\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall and none are there. As you know the
registry is a huge place. I looked in places that would make sense, but still don't see anything.
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After a lot of great support from Pete, we got it done.
Just a note, Insteon USB Dongle (2882-222) override in
the INI file in the [PLM] section using pre63=1 doesn't
work in PH 2.1b. It does work in 2.1.5c
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Congratulations to everyone. Quite an achievement.
It would be interesting to learn what you finally had to
do, in case others run into this same situation.
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As I understand it, there were some registry entries that shouldn't have been there. These were not the ones that Dave alluded to. Pete had some sort of utility that removed them
automatically. Once that was done, we did and install, then conversion of my DB to 2.1.2 followed by and install and conversion to 2.1.5c.
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Thanks Carl for the update and congratulations on
finally getting going again.
Sorry I couldn't help more, but glad that Pete and Dave
could unravel what was going on.
We are lucky to have such helpful Forum contributors.
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I bought this after having too many issues with the 2413U going offline after every power bump at my house while I'm away, rendering the complete Insteon setup DEAD until I got back home to reset the PLM. I'm just hoping this will be more reliable through power bumps. I had to use the free Insteon Terminal software to link it up to an Insteon Range Extender before adding it to OpenHAB. Every device thereafter will also need to be linked to this dongle before adding to OpenHAB using Insteon Terminal or HouseLinc (also free). I can also confirm that contrary to another review, HousLinc DOES see this device. It helps if you load HouseLinc first, then insert the dongle and scan using HouseLinc.
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ethanaidenies wrote:
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Amen to that. The 2448A7 is the most reliable Insteon PLM I have EVER used in almost 2 decades of PowerHoming!
Years ago I had a fireplace blower fan that every time it turned off generated a spark with enough of an EMP pulse and injected it into the power lines to lock up my 2412U almost every time and I could NOT filter it out no matter what I tried. Then I discovered the 2448A7 and the world changed.
By isolating the PLM from direct power line connection, I've never had a PLM lockup failure since.
NOTE: since it's output is only wireless I installed an Insteon 2992-222 RangeExtender close by so that Insteon signalling was injected into both the power lines as well as the RF mesh.
My current home has virtually perfect Insteon coverage over the entire house with zero dead, or weak, spots.
May you fare as well. 
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GadgetGuy wrote:
My current home has virtually perfect Insteon coverage over the entire house with zero dead, or weak, spots.
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Until your hardware fails... In my experience it doesn't take that long. 
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Carl-
Been in current home for over 3 years with never a
failure yet. Prior home used Insteon for almost 20
years and other than a few KPL 8-button switches I don't
recall any Insteon equipment failures. I'd have to say
that overall my experience has been that this is
amazingly reliable equipment especially for being power
line connect 24/7 and subjected to all kinds of
electrical noise and spikes.
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Really... WOW!
I have thousands of dollars worth of unusable Insteon
stuff - everything from PLMs, plugin modules, switches
to LED bulbs. In fact, I sold my house "as is" and
left more than
40 switches in place, most of which worked only
marginally.
WISH that my experience had been the same as yours.
I'm and early adopter and have been using Insteon
since it first came out. I've owned every Hub Insteon
has ever made and
used all the versions of SW that they produced for
control. Finding something that really works is how I
got here.
I was enthralled by the 'tech' specs of the protocol
and the 'mesh' network which strengthened your signal
as more items were added. I had X10 before Insteon,
and kept a
blended environment for as long as I could. Just wish
the hardware quality had matched the protocol quality.
My recent move prompted me to purchase a few new
modules (2 Range Extenders, 1 Toggle switch, and 2
lamp dimmers which haven't arrived yet.) WAF is 0%
for switches but I have
done some things that my wife likes with plugin
modules. If the newly purchased hardware doesn't
last, this will be the end of the road for me and
Insteon. I'm looking at
ZWave and SmartThings right now... and may try to
blend what I have. Mostly I using timed events in PH
and voice commands using Alexa and the 2245-222.
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Carl-
There is such a wide discrepancy in our experiences
that I'm wondering if you might have unusual
electrical noise going on in your home.
Furnace, refrigerator, dishwasher, garage door
openers,... motors turning off and creating high-
voltage noise spikes?
In my prior home where we experienced 20+ years of
reliable Insteon use I installed a Leviton 51120-1
Panel Mount Whole Home Surge Protector (available from
Smarthome) in the breaker panel. This didn't stop the
fireplace blower from crashing the PLM firmware but
did seem to stop the loss of KPL Keypad switches on
the same feed with my garage door opener.
Actually I can recall very few electrical issues with
the Smarthome Insteon devices. The few issues I had
were almost always switch contact failures where the
paddle switch presses weren't always working.
You might want to look into possible noise spike
producing devices. Anytime you turn off an inductive
load (motors, fluorescent ballast, faulty transformer,
transformer isolated power supplies, etc) there is the
potential for large inductive kickback spikes.
Hopefully, you can discover if that might be a
problem.
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Since I don't live there any more, I won't have to track down a cause. 
I had whole house surge suppression and numerous filters plugged in on all 'phases'...
Just hoping these last few hardware bits last.
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Your homeowner now probably hopes things last too.
We sold our highly automated home, "as is," too and I
was VERY concerned about it when we put the 5,500 sq
ft house up for sale. I was afraid it might be a
nightmare in the making.
But, we got lucky as the first person to look at the
house was an IT guy and experienced engineer and
programmer and loved everything and bought the house
on the spot.
Seldom gets any better than that. 
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My friends that bought my house replaced all the switches. I would have too... as most didn't and majority that worked at all, worked through SW automation, which
they had no desire to do.
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I have seen an engineering modified older model HUB
for serial use. Mentioned in the UDI forums. For some
special uses of their ISY994i controllers.
The 2448A7 USB PLM can do some of the things the 2413S
or 2413U PLMs can do. Only uses the US Insteon RF
frequency of 915MHz and no power line connections.
If you are interested in some of the Insteon
developers documentation. Smartlabs released them to
the public after the Developers Group {I belonged to}
was discontinued. They are here including the 2448A7
USB PLM.
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