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Posted: October 08 2010 at 15:54 \| IP Logged

Check my post above your last response. Also it looks like PH2 interprets the X10 message segment so you will have no trouble finding the TempLinc programming sequence in the trace. It interprets the X10 segment for the PLM, too long ago to remember what what it did for a PLC.

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Posted: October 08 2010 at 15:55 \| IP Logged

That’s better as I am seeing the H/U code sent the next entry is the command.

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Posted: October 08 2010 at 16:10 \| IP Logged

Grif - Gotcha - switched the macro back and unplugged (wait 30 seconds) replugged the TempLinc, and re-ran the original macro (with X-10 Raw commands).

So now we're back to here:

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Posted: October 08 2010 at 16:18 \| IP Logged

Lee is right on. I had you switch to verify the PLC. Can you open the window more on the next screen shot.

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Posted: October 08 2010 at 16:28 \| IP Logged

Using the same sequence in the macro I receive the identical trace entries relating to X10.

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Posted: October 08 2010 at 16:33 \| IP Logged

You know...while I wait for my fresh batch of ice to do the trick (the thermo-sensor was at room temp or a little warmer)...something about the way I have the TempLinc device configured in the X-10 devices section makes me want to run it by you guys....the screen capture is attached (everything out to the right is default for a new device - it's the check-boxes I wanted to verify).

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Posted: October 08 2010 at 16:42 \| IP Logged

What it doesn’t support won’t hurt. This table is kind of a features support for programming. The only thing I’ve read about this beast is it will take 16 unit codes and multiplies that out into the number of sequences. The reason why I had you switch to on and offs was to verify the powerline was seeing the PLC output.

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Posted: October 08 2010 at 16:51 \| IP Logged

Some questions. Are you sending the 3 A!s to set the address? And is the last one telling it to report a change. If so I don’t believe it will work unless it is done within 1 minute after plugging in. Also how are you monitoring the change that will be reported?

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Posted: October 08 2010 at 17:04 \| IP Logged

I would think if it is suppose to report on change we would see something after you hung it over the ice. After that no change until it melted. Mine will melt in 1 hour as it will be happy hour here or “5 0’click somewhere”.

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Posted: October 08 2010 at 17:10 \| IP Logged

I hear you - HAPPY HOUR! Yehaa! FRIDAY! (ok, 'nuff of that).

Yes, the 3 A6's to set the address as A6.

The fourth is A-1 to set "Report on Change".

All happen within 1 minute of plug-in.

I am not doing anything in particular to monitor excapt:
1) Looking at the Raw Logs
2) I have a trigger setup, but have no idea if it would work or not. If it works, it will turn on all the house lights (how's that for dramatic) if anything comes in from the device.

I would have thought the ice trick would produce results too. Geez.

I'm still open to a GotoMeeting if you are...just throw me a PM with an e-mail where I can send you an invite message.

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Posted: October 08 2010 at 17:15 \| IP Logged

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Edited by BeachBum - October 08 2010 at 17:52

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Posted: October 08 2010 at 17:27 \| IP Logged

Well, I threw you an invite in e-mail if you want to look at it for 10 minutes...just lemme know...otherwise, we can look into it after "Beer-Thirty". :)

BTW - When does my post-ranking officially pass "Newbie"....

I figure this conversation has definitely bumped me closer...

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Posted: October 09 2010 at 03:45 \| IP Logged

It is not the number of posts on a particular topic but the number of different topics posted to that affects the status. I don't think anyone pays attention to that designation. One could have years of Insteon experience and be new to PH. Or one could have years of experience with PH using other than Insteon and have Newbie type Insteon questions. Hang in there, the designation will change eventually.

The Insteon Raw Log trace showed the correct A6 A6 A6 A1 sequence. If that was completed within the initial minute after plugging in the TempLinc it should be programmed.

The Owner’s Manual indicates the TempLinc responds to a Status Request. Could try sending an A6 Status Request and see if the device responds.

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Posted: October 09 2010 at 09:22 \| IP Logged

Hi Lee,

Huh. It's getting weird. I was beginning to wonder if the device is getting the commands....So I plugged it directly into the PLM, and issued the initialize (3x A6 code) command, plus the program (2x A1), and then a Status Request (X-10 Direct)...

Now, the problem is that my Powerhome Server is in a rack in the basement, where the PLM is plugged, so I unplug the TempLinc, put it in my pocket, went down there did something else (a little cleaning, removal of the old (dead) fan, etc. Then I plugged in the TempLinc and rushed upstairs to my workstation so I could execute the above commands...which I did.

In the mean time I look back in the logs and just before I issued the new commands (and based on my "counting while running" right about the time I plugged the TempLinc in) there are X10 RAW receive commands...which based on the TempLinc manual, could very well be legitimate because when it re-powers up, it may send new information if there is a need....however, I have seen nothing since, and because the basement is definitely a different temperature, I would expect to see something...so now I'm perplexed.

It is definitely NOT responding to a status request...

Holy UNDERWEAR, Batman....!

Below is my Insteon RAW Log:

Edited by syonker - October 09 2010 at 09:22

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Posted: October 09 2010 at 09:38 \| IP Logged

Here’s your sequence:
A7
ON
A13
DIM
A6
A6
A6
A1
A1
A6
STATUS REQ.

Why the double A1s and where did the Status Request come from. At the top the ON is invalid for that device if I read the manual right. Do you have a desktop X10 controller you can manually do this with?

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Posted: October 09 2010 at 09:55 \| IP Logged

Looking at this further it looks like it sent back a temperature of 31 if that’s the case it is in the wrong mode but working.

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Posted: October 09 2010 at 11:31 \| IP Logged

I would remove the second A1. The Preset Dim 87% happened about 15 seconds before the A6 programming sequence was issued. Does make one wonder if that was generated when the TempLinc was plugged in.

If you have a long extension cord that reaches from the PLM plug point to the PH console you can move the TempLinc physically closer but still on the PLM circuit. This technique is used to change the PLM plug point when PC/UPS signal attenuation is suspect. Should work in reverse just as well.

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Posted: October 09 2010 at 12:08 \| IP Logged

I think I would setup a trigger to fire X10-in, A, 13, preset dim to bring up a msg box or something. I think the complicated thermostat is basically working. For what you are trying to do, “report on change”, I would just wait and see.. It will report in 1 minute increments if there is a change. From what I’m seeing me thinks its working.

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Posted: October 09 2010 at 13:51 \| IP Logged

Here's what I've confirmed so far....When I unplug/replug the thermostat, it reports in. That seems to be the only times it reports in.

I set it to A6, A6, A6, A1, and got nothing.

I set it to A6, A6, A6, A2....then sent in a "Status Request" to A6 and got nothing.

I'm gonna go unplug/replug it again, and capture the stream it sends to see if there's anything in there telling me how it's configured/supposed to work, etc.

This is one weird device.

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Posted: October 09 2010 at 14:28 \| IP Logged

I would try requesting a report by trying a1 once after a minute or 2. We may be interpreting the manual wrong.

Here’s a tidbit from an earlier post:

RandyH wrote:

Dean,

I have been using TempLinc along with PowerHome to monitor the temperature of my computer room for a couple of years now and it works very well. My TempLinc is configured to send preset dim levels on M14 and M15 anytime the TempLinc sees the temperature change. I have two triggers that watch for any incoming preset dim levels that come from M14 and M15. In turn the triggers call their respective macro which uses the ‘Set Global’ command to update a global variable with the actual temperature.   Here are the two formulas for the two macros:

Macro M14   36 + (32 * (int([X10LEVELM14])/100))
Macro M15   68 + (32 * (int([X10LEVELM15])/100))

Once the global variable holds the current temperature you can then create other triggers and macros that activate anytime this variable changes.

I hope this helps,

Randy

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